Anyone know of a PSH 12' gun for sale?

[supthecreek]

I love the commentary..... look at this bomb.... Denton's going for it.... yeahhhh, he got it   

And video to boot. Nice one Beasho!

[mik911]

10'11" wide gun
http://ventura.craigslist.org/spo/5457973414.html

No affiliation

[wrybread]

Thanks for all the input. I was trying to get that 12' psh gun shipped from Florida but I randomly stumbled on a 12' Jimmy Lewis Bombora gun for $1000 and the seller is a friend and is loaning it to me to try it. Life is good.

The only thing that makes me hesitant is the single fin, but that's probably mostly psychological.

On a sidenote a friend broke his 12' psh gun on Friday in not giant surf. He's a board maker / shaper and when he did the post mortem he complained about the construction. Could of course just be his, or accumulated damage, that was pretty much his main board I think and he's a maniac. I've watched him get caught inside and take wave after sucking out wave on the head/board for 30 minutes at a time, and that sort of impact has to accumulate in both places.

And on another sidenote, props to Jimmy Lewis construction. I broke my leash yesterday and frickin lost my board in the outgoing tide current, and while I was spotting from the cliffs like a headless chicken for my white board in a sea of white foam it washed into the rocks and got bashed around for a good 15 minutes, with some sizable swell. It chipped the gell coat in a few spots and split one of the fins but its still water tight and hardly the worse for wear. Pretty amazing actually. And that board (10.8 Hanalei) has taken probably 10 poundings that would have snapped my old Naish boards.

[eastbound]

Ya Beasho--there you go carrying the torch again--and the various media really share well a sense of what you are doing.

[wrybread]

Couple o pics of my snazzy new gun.

There's something about guns that's so beautiful I want to hang them on walls.

[Beasho]

Fraggin cool.  I like the 12 x 27 1/2".  I think they need to be pretty narrow.

I run my 12' as a single fin +1, just to keep it honest.  The thinking is that I want it to be as fast as possible. 

[Beasho]

Prepare to:

1)  Go at it alone
2)  Get in Early
3)  Bend the Knees: See Haley on Previous page

You will get going so fast, and there is enough surface area on a big gun, that little bumps lead to a lot of jumps.  My first session this year I was falling all over the place then I remembered to crouch and life was grand again.

[wrybread]

Very interesting on the 1+1! And man, the speed in that second pic is just insane. A 12' board flying!

Yeah super psyched about this board. Although I've been finding that my 10.8 Hanalei works great in surprisingly big waves, when they start pushing that 18+ second energy and bowling up I just can't catch them. As you said, its all about that maximum paddle speed. Unless of course I want to get under that bowl... Of course the problem is probably more with me than the board, but this should help the former.

And there's nothing more painful than being out with someone who's on the right board and watching them tear it up while I just can't catch a thing. I suppose its an arms race.

The last time I was in your hood surfing that spot in your pics above, I hung around the parking lot listening to the chatter from the Mavericks crew who were all just coming in too. I heard Alex Martins talking to a few people, and he said something interesting: he was talking about a 9.0 versus a 9.6, and was saying the 6 inches was mostly just a psychological difference. Whether or not I agree with that, the next thing he said was awesome. He said "if you're in the right spot, you're going to catch the wave. If you're not, you won't. Simple as that." Sage words.

But at least with this board I can be in the wrong spot and choosing the wrong wave and *still* make it!

Life is good!

And plus the thing paddles like a bashee on flat water. I just took it for a spin on the bay and it paddles as fast as a racing board. I guess that's why there's so many big wave guns in Florida.

[wrybread]

And mind if I ask what leash you're using? And where'd you get it? Mavericks surf shop?

I've broken so many leashes this year I've literally lost count. I bought the heaviest duty Stay Covered leash from the Mavs surf shop, which was by far the best of the bunch, but it broke on Monday. I don't blame it, that thing has taken some serious abuse over the last few weeks. Then in the same session I put on a crappy leash I had in my trunk and broke it too, just for good measure. And my local is a good half mile from shore... Oh well, at least I'm getting really comfortable doing long swims through sucking closeouts on outgoing tides through super sharky water.

Honestly it makes me question modern leash construction. Why aren't they made of truly unbreakable material? Is it all to get that little bit of flex? I suppose on an insanely powerful wave like Mavericks you might want the leash to break before your leg does, but on most waves that's just never going to happen. So why are we still making leashes out of plastic that inevitably breaks eventually?

[Subber]

Fraggin cool.  I like the 12 x 27 1/2".  I think they need to be pretty narrow.

I run my 12' as a single fin +1, just to keep it honest.  The thinking is that I want it to be as fast as possible.

Very cool, the +1 side bite...I assume for going right.
Always interesting info Beasho.

What is that Island Design fin...how big is it?
Is part of the bottom cut out, a cutaway?

I was running a small middle and large side bites and lost a side bite and was surprised at how well my board handled
with the small middle and only one side bite - definitely less drag.  I was on small waves and it made the board
pivot much quicker which was good for noseriding...of course, I had the small middle instead a large middle fin.
Fun to experiment.

As it is crowded where I surf (and I get tired) I generally go for as little drag as possible with the board still
being able to do what I want it to do.  Then, when it is big, I also want as little drag so I can catch the much faster waves.
Recently been using very small side bites and medium to small middle fin for the faster waves,
- next time, just the right sidey.

[SpaceCoastPaul]

Very interesting thread...Thanks

[Beasho]

And mind if I ask what leash you're using? And where'd you get it? Mavericks surf shop?

Crow Haley.  Apparently he's back, he was a bit AWOL for a while.  There was a whole thread, among others, on the waist leash topic.

Enjoy a call with Crow Haley at 760-594-2579---or email him one or both (forgot which one is his primary address): crowhaley@gmail.com , crowsonhaley@gmail.com

http://www.standupzone.com/forum/index.php/topic,28747.msg306730.html#msg306730

[wrybread]

Sweet just talked to Crow, he's a little backed up with orders but said he'd be able to ship something out in a couple of weeks.

Beasho sorry I know you mentioned your leash length recommendation but I can't find it. How big do you recommend for a 12' gun when its out in its element? Did you say 20 feet?

[Beasho]

How big do you recommend for a 12' gun when its out in its element? Did you say 20 feet?

YES: 20 feet!.  I have had some horrific pulls with my 20 foot leash and have not had it break.  I think it has something to do with the impulse time. 

The leash will stretch for a long enough time to allow the wave to dissipate much of its energy.  You will be surprised though.  A 20 footer can stretch to 3X its length meaning the leash will be 60 feet long and the board tip another 12 feet past that.  Crazy swath of destruction.

[Beasho]

Check this out:  Here was an example of NECKING on my leash.

I use white plastic "thimbles" to distribute the load.  The leash had stretched, multiple times, but never broke.

See the difference in diameter between the permanently deformed part of the leash 4.48 mm vs. the healthy Tail end of the leash 7.37 mm. 

The area of the larger section is 2.7X that of the smaller diameter section (PIE R squared).  The only way the section permanently necks is if it stretched to a point equal to or greater than this distortion.  According to the conservation of mass this would require the length to increase by >> 2.7X probably along the entire length of the leash. 

The poly section of leash was 22 feet when I dismantled it.  22 X 2.7 = 59 feet to the tail of the board.