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Would it be h*ll at 195 lbs to paddle 9x28x101L longboard SUP?

Started by magentawave, August 29, 2024, 01:32:58 PM

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magentawave

I weigh about 195 pounds and was wondering if anyone can tell me what it would be like for me to paddle one of the more recent Starboard longboard SUPs that is 9' x 28" x 3.3" x 101 L?

I generally sit between sets but would it be awful because I'm doing the hula while paddling?
Pluto Platter: 7-10 x 29.25 x 4.25 x 114.5 liters

Dusk Patrol

I weigh 185 and have a 9'x26"x 95L Starboard Longboard SUP that is hell to paddle... for me. I got it as my old-ish man prone board because it has a handle and a deck pad :) 

If it makes any difference, Starboard just tweaked its shapes so the current 9x28 is up to 105L.

I think you could do it if you're used to a 7'10 @ 114L.

And your current board reminds me that my dad used to call frisbees "pluto platters'   
RS 14x26; JL Destroyers 9'8 & 8'10; BluePlanet 9'4; SB Longboard SUP 9'x26" (used for prone)

sflinux

I used to think 28" wide boards were hell, no more.
Starboard recommends the 105L for up to 85 kg riders.  To go against that recommendation you should have things on your side like youth, fitness, advanced skill, warm conditions( no wettie), glasy conditions (no wind,no chop, no currents).
If you can answer yes to most of those, sounds far from hell.
In my experience it is the lack of volume that makes paddling difficult.  Goes for prone and SUP.
I weigh about 200 and my smallest board 110L 7'6" x 28.5" I can paddle on the bay just fine, but in our normal surf conditions I struggle (low wave count). Whereas if I take my shorter 7'4" x 29" 119L board my wave count shoots up.  I don't believe it has to do with width as much as volume.
I have a 9'3" x 28" PSH AA around 120L is stable and and absolute blast.  Narrow boards paddle faster. 
Imo longboards are all about high wave count traveling up the coast so you don't hog a particular peak.  To do that volume is your friend, same goes for prone or SUP.
I have a 9' x 24" 105L Walden Mega Magic that I have been meaning to try as a SUP on flat water.  Aipa has a big brother Sting 10' x 23.38" 110.7 L that I would love to try as a SUP.  Even though it is narrower than the 9' x 28" starboard, I would prefer that because of the volume. Mo Freitas's boards were ~23" wide.  I have the Aipa Big Brother Sting 9' x 23.5" @ 95L and that board absolutely rips.
I would recommend not going lower in volume than what you are normally riding for Longboard SUP, but because you are going longer, you can go narrower.
Have you chatted with Joe Blair about a custom?  I have his 9'6" pulled in nose pin tail which works well in both big and small conditions.
Or...
Kalama 9' x 28" 108L
JP longboard Pro 9'4" x 27" 110L
Deep Jackson Close 10' x 26" 111L
Sunova style 9'6" x 27.5"  112L.
RRD 9 ' X 28" 112L
Jimmy Lewis Black& Blue 9'6" x 28.5" x 117L
Surftech DC Super X 9' x 28" 122L
New Deal 10 ' x 27" 122L
Quiver Shaped by: Joe Blair, Blane Chambers, Jimmy Lewis, Kirk McGinty, and Bob Pearson.
Me: 200#, 6'2"

magentawave

I surfed it in weak knee to sub waist high waves yesterday and was surprised and very happy to report that it paddled really well! The key is that being only 3.3" thick it sinks some which locks in the rails which makes it more stable. It lacked that standing high on top of a tippy cork feeling I have had with thicker boards. I think the tippy thing is compounded with thick narrower sups too. It will be interesting to see how it paddles in choppier conditions.

Anyway, this thinner board thing has me thinking that I'll make the next iteration of my 7-10 which is 4 1/4" thick a little thinner.
Pluto Platter: 7-10 x 29.25 x 4.25 x 114.5 liters

magentawave

Quote from: sflinux on August 31, 2024, 10:25:34 AMI used to think 28" wide boards were hell, no more.
Starboard recommends the 105L for up to 85 kg riders.  To go against that recommendation you should have things on your side like youth, fitness, advanced skill, warm conditions( no wettie), glasy conditions (no wind,no chop, no currents).
If you can answer yes to most of those, sounds far from hell.
In my experience it is the lack of volume that makes paddling difficult.  Goes for prone and SUP.
I weigh about 200 and my smallest board 110L 7'6" x 28.5" I can paddle on the bay just fine, but in our normal surf conditions I struggle (low wave count). Whereas if I take my shorter 7'4" x 29" 119L board my wave count shoots up.  I don't believe it has to do with width as much as volume.
I have a 9'3" x 28" PSH AA around 120L is stable and and absolute blast.  Narrow boards paddle faster. 
Imo longboards are all about high wave count traveling up the coast so you don't hog a particular peak.  To do that volume is your friend, same goes for prone or SUP.
I have a 9' x 24" 105L Walden Mega Magic that I have been meaning to try as a SUP on flat water.  Aipa has a big brother Sting 10' x 23.38" 110.7 L that I would love to try as a SUP.  Even though it is narrower than the 9' x 28" starboard, I would prefer that because of the volume. Mo Freitas's boards were ~23" wide.  I have the Aipa Big Brother Sting 9' x 23.5" @ 95L and that board absolutely rips.
I would recommend not going lower in volume than what you are normally riding for Longboard SUP, but because you are going longer, you can go narrower.
Have you chatted with Joe Blair about a custom?  I have his 9'6" pulled in nose pin tail which works well in both big and small conditions.
Or...
Kalama 9' x 28" 108L
JP longboard Pro 9'4" x 27" 110L
Deep Jackson Close 10' x 26" 111L
Sunova style 9'6" x 27.5"  112L.
RRD 9 ' X 28" 112L
Jimmy Lewis Black& Blue 9'6" x 28.5" x 117L
Surftech DC Super X 9' x 28" 122L
New Deal 10 ' x 27" 122L

I see that ALL of your boards are relatively narrow!

Yeah, it's crazy how narrow the pro's boards are! They make 'em with no deck handle!
Pluto Platter: 7-10 x 29.25 x 4.25 x 114.5 liters

magentawave

Quote from: Dusk Patrol on August 30, 2024, 01:31:49 PMI weigh 185 and have a 9'x26"x 95L Starboard Longboard SUP that is hell to paddle... for me. I got it as my old-ish man prone board because it has a handle and a deck pad :) 

If it makes any difference, Starboard just tweaked its shapes so the current 9x28 is up to 105L.

I think you could do it if you're used to a 7'10 @ 114L.

And your current board reminds me that my dad used to call frisbees "pluto platters'   

I was just talking to someone is San Diego a few days ago that is frothing to find a 9x26 Starboard like yours. He said they are very rare.

I'm on the 3rd gen of my Pluto Platter and still love it. I ride it as a twin and recently retrofitted a couple FCS plugs so I can ride it as a twinzer. Haven't had it in anything great as a twinzer yet but so far its looser (I had keels on before) without loss of drive and seems faster. Next gen will be a couple pounds lighter, 1/8" thinner, twinzer plus elimination of the long center box.
Pluto Platter: 7-10 x 29.25 x 4.25 x 114.5 liters

sflinux

Quote from: magentawave on September 01, 2024, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: sflinux on August 31, 2024, 10:25:34 AMOr
Kalama 9' x 28" 108L
JP longboard Pro 9'4" x 27" 110L
Deep Jackson Close 10' x 26" 111L
Sunova style 9'6" x 27.5"  112L.
RRD 9 ' X 28" 112L
Jimmy Lewis Black& Blue 9'6" x 28.5" x 117L
Surftech DC Super X 9' x 28" 122L
New Deal 10 ' x 27" 122L

I see that ALL of your boards are relatively narrow!

Yeah, it's crazy how narrow the pro's boards are! They make 'em with no deck handle!
My narrowest SUP is 28" as I am 6'2". I believe taller riders benefit from wider boards.
The "Or" boards listed above I haven't tested, was just seeing what is available nowadays.
Glad the board worked.
I have noticed I like boards that sit lower in the water and have less surface area to avoid catching wind when the winds pick up.  It seems to have less push on the rails from chop.
Colin Mcphillips i believe liked his SUP longboard 27" wide.
As long as you have a guild factor above 1.1, your heart won't beat like a hummingbird.  >98L for you.
Quiver Shaped by: Joe Blair, Blane Chambers, Jimmy Lewis, Kirk McGinty, and Bob Pearson.
Me: 200#, 6'2"

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sflinux

Quote from: magentawave on September 01, 2024, 11:49:33 AMYeah, it's crazy how narrow the pro's boards are! They make 'em with no deck handle!
My smallest SUP is 7'6" x 28.5" 110L.  I can paddle the SUP on flat water fine, but in surf I struggle.
Ok today I finally had a chance to try to SUP my Walden Mega Magic 9' x 24" x 4.25" 105L on a bay with 10 mph winds, swell coming from a single direction.  I was able to get up and stay up and paddle out, turn around, and paddle back.  I am a bit mind blown.  I was wearing a 5/4 wetsuit too.  The best part is when I got out of the water, I held the board under my arm with no handle, like my hero Mo Freitas.  So cool.
The downwind foilers have discovered that long & narrow is the name of the game.  Have we been doing it all wrong with our SUPs, using boards that are too wide, with too much volume?
Quiver Shaped by: Joe Blair, Blane Chambers, Jimmy Lewis, Kirk McGinty, and Bob Pearson.
Me: 200#, 6'2"


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